There are several commercial model tools for NHibernate, and ActiveWriter is free and can generate NHibernate files.
I would also like to protested about the "one dedicated programmer", that is misleading in an OSS project. There are quite a few people who actively contribute.

I've been using CSLA.NET, worth a look, but the other solutions mentioned may be more mature nowadays.

Ayende: Although you are right, there are active contributors, I was merely illustrating the vast amount of developers Microsoft has at it's disposal. Also, do not read into this post that I am in favor of Microsoft developing these kinds of frameworks. I'd rather have a Microsoft that stays within well defined boundaries: that would allow projects like nHibernate to prosper.

Jody: I do know CSLA.Net and I do feel that for large projects, it's better to build a custom solution (out of existing blocks of functionality) then having to adhere to the mindset of Rocky (which doesn't mean I do not agree with his mindset, merely that I'd want to have a custom fit!)

In my opinion EF isn't ready for prime time.

I hope they make many changes before they ship the product,
but this may hit projects already using a current EF version.

o PI, as you mentioned, is far from being realized.

o ComplexType columns must not be foreign keys.
Even the simplest CT examples like Address (CountryID) or Money (CurrencyID) need FK columns.

o The design tools are nice, but if one want's to use features not supported by the designers, the mapping files have to be tweaked manually and this is a burden.
- Three mapping files (or sections) for one mapping.
- Very verbose mapping syntax especially compared to NHibernate - results to thousands of lines for just a few tables
- automatic mapping update from store can't be limited to ssdl only, but makes changes to csdl an msl as well

+ I found the mapping scenarios supported by NHibernate impressive.

While I would like to use an OR-Mapper shipped by MS as part of the .NET framework I would not like using EF as it is right now.

I'm quite new to the OR-M topic and played just a little with NHibernate and EF.

Another OR-Mapper I plan to evaluate is Genome (http://www.genom-e.com/).
I read the docs but have played less with Genome than EF or NHibernate and can not tell much about.
But what I have read was encouraging.

I agree on your comments however, in my experience, it is more important to align yourself with the microsoft tools then it is to get that little bit more power by using some piece of technology that's hard to find experienced ppl for.

But, as you can see, that's all from the perspective of big development teams. It's just more important to get developers that are already used to a technology versus having to train them. I think EF is powerful enough to get there.
As a side note though: nHibernate is steadily gaining acceptance, so maybe this argument is mute when you use nHibernate!

and maybe genome-e as well.. it looks very good!

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